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them A large proportion of people are only fed with what is on the market The resulting injustice some understand the relationships involved and have support and others stand there passively consuming YouTube videos that is the major problem Schaumburg To be honest I think those kinds of horror scenarios are grossly exaggerated and I don t believe that media abstinence is the right path But it is true that schools need to teach a reflective responsible approach to digital media This includes lessons like understanding that behind everything that seems to be free on the Internet there are ultimately business models With regard to the elites you just spoke about I see the challenge in creating equal opportunity in education under the conditions of digitalization too And who should do that if not schools Ms Kegler you are regularly in touch with other school principals where are the difficulties in using digital media Kegler One difficulty is that these devices are still treated like fetishes Why isn t new media integrated more naturally into teaching Because most teachers can t deal with it in a creative way This can be seen from the fact that smart boards are now being used instead of the blackboard In other words it s a bit more colorful a bit more luminous but everyone is looking in one direction again just like in the old church order This doesn t mean that we re seeing individualized learning There s still a whole lot of music there people are only scratch ing the surface How do you motivate your colleagues to use digital media creatively Kegler I work very hard together with my younger colleagues to ensure that we also enjoy learning new things as teachers We hold several confer ences with cooperative digital media and we ve developed our entire school curriculum by writing the texts together Schaumburg I m increasingly asking myself whether this skepticism towards computers isn t all that bad in the German education system After all it also prevents us from frivolously jumping at anything and everything digital We need to get to a place where the discussion is more about quality I think the approach you just men tioned is very good the idea that you also need to show teachers where the added value is Once you ve under stood that you can also implement it in your teaching I do believe that some German schools are very good at staying on course and don t have a great willingness to innovate Kegler I get the feeling that new methods in general are incredibly difficult to establish in Germany We have this three part school system while other countries have one shared school in which children are together for long periods of time This also means that teachers attitudes are different They need to work inclusive ly with a diverse group of children Yet this segmented school system seems to be set in stone in Germany The coalition agreement of the German federal government includes the intention to invest five billion euros in the digitalization of schools Can that be used to raise the standard of the equipment Schaumburg It s pure window dressing the money won t be any where sufficient enough to get schools on the same level as to what s going on in other western European coun tries Something that always gets forgotten with these kinds of initiatives is that it s not about a one time investment there are long term costs involved A school is exactly like any other enterprise in that you need someone who takes care of the hardware and software for example and it can t be a teacher coming in on their off hours Will all students be able to do that They won t be able to just like that Not every child can sit down at home and easily absorb learning content on their own And this is exactly the role of a school to see how we can enable chil dren to learn to deal with this flood of information Kegler Exactly that s why school is the place where it needs to be filtered Media literacy is first and foremost media abstinence That means that I decide when I use which medium and when I don t It should be a conscious process We now know that hundreds of thousands of children in Germany are already considered to be addicted to digital media Juval Harari described a vision of the future in his book Homo Deus Algorithms could control an awful lot and there will be an elite of people controlling These devices are still treated like fetishes Ulrike Kegler 27THE MAGAZINE 3 18

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